Post by ahayden0022 on Oct 7, 2009 21:04:02 GMT -5
Recently,a chiropractor gave me free x-rays and a consultation. When reviewing the x-rays, he said that I had a reverse curve in my neck and a zero degree atlas bone. I have always suffered from ADD and bad headaches--he said that the atlas bone was probably the cause.
He also told me that he could treat it in 3 sessions a wk for 12 weeks for a total of $1,200.
Is this reasonable/should it cost this much? Do I need the treatment?
What about the on going cost of "maintenance"? Can't believe he didn't tell you about that! If you keep reading some of the other posts on here (even right here in Chiropractic patient questions) you will see that this is just another example of the chiropractic money grab. Don't get taken in! The only relief you will feel (apart from the lighter wallet) is a placebo affect. If you really want to investigate this further, have a healthy friend go in (without the chiropractor's knowledge) for "free x-rays and consultation" maybe complaining about a stiff neck or lower back pain and you will find your friend will need a similar treatment plan.
Post by Copernicus DC on Oct 8, 2009 7:39:07 GMT -5
Chiropractors claiming to treat posture are very similar to upper cervical chiropractors in that they have the false belief that spinal problems or poor posture generally occur first and then other problems (varus foot malformation) occur later. In fact, the founder of chiropractic postural correction, Donald Harrison PhD DC, was an upper cervical chiropractor before he developed postural treatment methods. This tends to be a problem because it leads to never ending treatment.
On the other hand, poor posture and reversed neck curve (or even loss of a curve less than 20 degrees) has been shown to predict future osteoarthritis. and pain.
So I'd recommend starting with a foot examination by a certified pedorthist, then postural evaluation by a physical therapist with certification in orthopedics, then possibly a consultation with a chiropractor certified in chiropractic biomechanics of posture (www.idealspine.com) -in that order. Neck curve restoration will depend on how long it has been there. Some can respond very quickly to just light physical therapy, others require months of traction and exercises.
$1,200 is probably a low estimate to improve a reversed cervical curve with forward head posture. The estimates I've seen show that it generally take at least 6 months of traction in a chiropractic office to accomplish this, often more. Treatment plans usually cost $3,000 plus.
What is this chiropractor's name and address? Let's see where he went to school, what techniques he practices and his level of competence at postural correction. There are a lot of poor DCs because of the lack of standardization by the schools. Posture correction isn't even a required subject.
I was under the impression that the curve (or lack of curve) had very little to do with ones over all health; in this case ADD and headaches. Also, you would be spending thousands and thousands of dollars and have to continually use traction to force the neck into the "perfect" shape. I think the neck would return to it's misaligned form
IIRC, their own studies show that after several months without traction the curve starts to straighten out back to normal. Either way, they will sell maintenance care for the rest of the patients life to make sure that curve stays where it should.
Post by Copernicus DC on Oct 8, 2009 19:16:52 GMT -5
Yes I recall them prescribing lifetime maintenance care. My opinion is that this either indicates that they are not correcting all the underlying problems or that they are unable to stabilize the patient due to the damaged state of the spine.
Dantes can you post that reference showing curve destabilization and reversal after care?
qma, loss of cuve to less than 20 degrees is causative for mechanical neck pain (wish I had the study). I think its from a whiplash follow up study. if anyone has more data please post.
"The real problem (isn't chiropractic but rather) society's tolerance of disproven theory, unsubstantiated claims and unethical professions."
Sorry, couldn't find it. It might be just something I remember them talking about at one of the seminars about instead of a full study. What I remember is that it was a very slight regression, maybe by only a one-half degree per year.
FWIW, I still think CBP's approach, combined with an "chiro"-orthopedic (DACO) focus on core strength and stability could be a very good approach in physical medicine.
Post by Copernicus DC on Oct 11, 2009 0:22:48 GMT -5
It's unfortunate that you couldn't find the study to settle the issue. I agree with you that a hybrid approach would be best. Unfortunately CBP emphasizes a certification model based entirely on their teachings. Further, it supports the ICA, a fanatical group of pro-quackery chiropractic zealots. So naturally the number of CBP chiropractors with crossover training and an objective mindset is very low. The only example I know if is Donald Meyers from Circular Traction. Given that these practitioners are so rare, I recommend that CBP be used as tertiary care after other professionals have been consulted.
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