I have seen nearly every chiropractic technique performed but never seen this one (except at a full spine seminar I once saw a "occiput adjustment" move that was supposed to be a modified version of this).
It sounds particularly dangerous and I have heard some "urban legends" about people seeing stars after this "adjustment" or going home and sleeping for 30 years and such stuff.
Quote from the Planetchiro article:
However, I will NEVER forget the first time I was aligned by Dr. Virgil Chrane, Jr. My thought process immediately following his adjustment as I lay on the table, was: "WOW! If I ever get cancer, THIS is the adjustment I want."
Is that a NUTTY quote or what? Here's another:
In 1947 Dr. James W. Parker personally witnessed Dr. Chrane align 268 people in two hours and twenty minutes. He routinely saw between two-hundred and three-hundred people a day. Dr. Chrane said, "If you are seeing twenty people a day, you should only be open twenty minutes."
Next seminar: Work just 100 minutes a week!
(Spend the rest of your time at the mall trying to find people who will pay $35 to have you spend 1 minute with them and pop their upper necks with a "unique, dramatic, dynamic, high velocity, intense decompressive alignment of the upper cervical spine performed manually in three or four adjustive thrusts".)
Post by Allen Botnick DC on Jul 26, 2004 15:16:41 GMT -5
I've heard that it is a very dangerous and forceful upper cervical manipulation. At Life my thompson technique lab instructor told several students that he stroked out a patient with it. He wasn't a very good clinician; when the patient complained of stroke related symptoms following the manipulation he just did the other side-killing the patient. The instructor said the experience was so traumatizing that he couldn't practice anymore. His solution was to become a technique instructor and teach the move to students!
"The real problem (isn't chiropractic but rather) society's tolerance of disproven theory, unsubstantiated claims and unethical professions." -A. Botnick DC.
Post by Allen Botnick DC on Jul 26, 2004 18:21:23 GMT -5
I don't think he did. I do know that there was one student named Heidi Bivens in the 1980s who was stroked out in the Life University student clinic from a neck manipulation. She became permanently disabled. They allowed her neck to be manipulated against medical orders. The whole thing was subject to a big cover up and few students found out.
Incredibly, the school had the gall to teach students that these people would have stroked out anyway and there was no way it could be from the neck manipulation.
i notice all you guys do is talk amoungst yourselves.
i've have the occipital release. and i felt great about it. and you know what, i enjoy paying my (MINE_GET IT< MINE) money, money that i can do whatever i want to with, on chiropractic. just like i enjoy getting a haircut for 40$, i enjoy paying 35$ for an adjustment, and how dare you tell me how to spend my money. and how dare you tell me what to believe. next you'll be telling me my religion is wrong.
why do you mention you are a DC? you obviously hate DC's. i've read half af what you write, and you hate your profession. why. why all the anger? i enjoy going to a large chiroprctic practice, seeing all the people. and even if it is ALL IN THEIR MINDS, at least they believe they are getting help. instead of bounding from one medical doctors office to another (and if you don't have insurance, paying 500$ for a visit to be told they can't help you, you need to go see a specialist, can be quite expensive), at least the chiropractor seems to enjoy what they are doing.
is your practice small (like your penis)? are you unhappy with yourself? what does your psychologist say about all your anger, do you have issues with mommy and daddy?
Pete, Pete, Pete, You are absolutely right, you have the right to waste your money and your life anyway you want. You have the right to seek and get and pay for "social grooming" or bungee jumping or whatever you want.. but the minute you become a hemiplegic or quadreplegic, guess what? Your freedom to go get your neck popped as a form of chosen social grooming becomes my cost, in that my taxes go to support your helpless life. Do you think that is fair?
Pete, notice the title of this forum is "The Skeptical Chiropractic Discussion Forum". That means: 1) you will likely not find postings voicing support for chirporactic philosophy, techniques, or marketing. 2) Posters here are skeptics, which means they actively question beliefs and statements issued without supporting evidence. 3) You are likely to be exposed to critical thinking on this board, an experience found to be considerably upsetting to pro-chiropractic visitors.
My advice -- spend your money any way you want, but consider yourself notified that personal attacks ("ad hominem", if you've had argumentation and debate training) directed at discussants on this board will not be tolerated.
If you have any complaints or remarks, please post them in one of the "Jeers" sections.
dc2rn2013: Warning to all wannabe bloggers attacking me: Your comments are not anonymous and your identities are not shielded from this site. Comments that enter the realm of slander and liable will not be tolerated by this member. Choose your words wisely.
Nov 4, 2013 8:31:00 GMT -5
igotout: I feel like I am missing something here...
Nov 4, 2013 11:18:26 GMT -5
igotout: ok, nm... I guess I should venture a little deeper into the boards first.
Nov 4, 2013 11:26:37 GMT -5
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Nov 15, 2013 9:45:51 GMT -5
healing, finally: A chiropractor has been the only physician in my 50+ years to heal me of chronic illness. He practices functional medicine, in alignment with Rankin/Pert/Lipton/Weil/Northrup. Wake up DCs and hone your message!
Nov 29, 2013 9:53:08 GMT -5
healing, finally: HealthSource and The Joint? Get as far away from them, as fast as you can.
Nov 29, 2013 9:54:02 GMT -5
whatamistake: a chiro is no physician
Dec 3, 2013 12:01:46 GMT -5
nmsdc: Pseudoscience quack chiro = Rankin/Pert/Lipton/Weil/Northrup + "functional med"; which cures nothing
Dec 3, 2013 19:51:15 GMT -5
"Go go go go chiro-practic" : Enter your reply here...
Dec 4, 2013 16:49:55 GMT -5
madamca: "Go Go Go Go chiro-practic"--- we need a commercial and a jingle...and advertisement during the super bowl.
Dec 4, 2013 16:51:55 GMT -5
Jim the DC: I read a lot of crybaby crap here by losers who because they couldn't make it in chiropractic, start slamming the schools and their teachers. These idiots are a minority in the chiropractic field who just didn't have the ability to succeed.
Dec 5, 2013 16:51:50 GMT -5
igoutout: An amazingly professional comment. Way to stay above the fray there, Doc...
Dec 5, 2013 17:54:21 GMT -5
jimdc: Just interested in expressing my opinion there igoutout. Are you a chiropractor, and are you actually in practice? Having been a chiropractor now for 36 years, I have read all sorts of things like I see on this site. What's your story?
Dec 6, 2013 8:54:27 GMT -5
igoutout: and opinions are welcomed, I believe, as long as they are not simply of the "you all suck" variety. Probably best to start a thread rather than do that in the shoutbox though.
Dec 6, 2013 11:47:48 GMT -5
dcjim: You all suck and need to get out of your parent's basements
Dec 7, 2013 23:14:02 GMT -5
dcjim: Just kidding. I didn't mean it. I actually didn't even know my comment would go through. I actually wish you all luck and hope that everyone has a great year next year.
Dec 7, 2013 23:15:32 GMT -5