I have seen nearly every chiropractic technique performed but never seen this one (except at a full spine seminar I once saw a "occiput adjustment" move that was supposed to be a modified version of this).
It sounds particularly dangerous and I have heard some "urban legends" about people seeing stars after this "adjustment" or going home and sleeping for 30 years and such stuff.
Quote from the Planetchiro article:
However, I will NEVER forget the first time I was aligned by Dr. Virgil Chrane, Jr. My thought process immediately following his adjustment as I lay on the table, was: "WOW! If I ever get cancer, THIS is the adjustment I want."
Is that a NUTTY quote or what? Here's another:
In 1947 Dr. James W. Parker personally witnessed Dr. Chrane align 268 people in two hours and twenty minutes. He routinely saw between two-hundred and three-hundred people a day. Dr. Chrane said, "If you are seeing twenty people a day, you should only be open twenty minutes."
Next seminar: Work just 100 minutes a week!
(Spend the rest of your time at the mall trying to find people who will pay $35 to have you spend 1 minute with them and pop their upper necks with a "unique, dramatic, dynamic, high velocity, intense decompressive alignment of the upper cervical spine performed manually in three or four adjustive thrusts".)
Post by Copernicus DC on Jul 26, 2004 15:16:41 GMT -5
I've heard that it is a very dangerous and forceful upper cervical manipulation. At Life my thompson technique lab instructor told several students that he stroked out a patient with it. He wasn't a very good clinician; when the patient complained of stroke related symptoms following the manipulation he just did the other side-killing the patient. The instructor said the experience was so traumatizing that he couldn't practice anymore. His solution was to become a technique instructor and teach the move to students!
"The real problem (isn't chiropractic but rather) society's tolerance of disproven theory, unsubstantiated claims and unethical professions." -A J Botnick DC
Post by Copernicus DC on Jul 26, 2004 18:21:23 GMT -5
I don't think he did. I do know that there was one student named Heidi Bivens in the 1980s who was stroked out in the Life University student clinic from a neck manipulation. She became permanently disabled. They allowed her neck to be manipulated against medical orders. The whole thing was subject to a big cover up and few students found out.
Incredibly, the school had the gall to teach students that these people would have stroked out anyway and there was no way it could be from the neck manipulation.
i notice all you guys do is talk amoungst yourselves.
i've have the occipital release. and i felt great about it. and you know what, i enjoy paying my (MINE_GET IT< MINE) money, money that i can do whatever i want to with, on chiropractic. just like i enjoy getting a haircut for 40$, i enjoy paying 35$ for an adjustment, and how dare you tell me how to spend my money. and how dare you tell me what to believe. next you'll be telling me my religion is wrong.
why do you mention you are a DC? you obviously hate DC's. i've read half af what you write, and you hate your profession. why. why all the anger? i enjoy going to a large chiroprctic practice, seeing all the people. and even if it is ALL IN THEIR MINDS, at least they believe they are getting help. instead of bounding from one medical doctors office to another (and if you don't have insurance, paying 500$ for a visit to be told they can't help you, you need to go see a specialist, can be quite expensive), at least the chiropractor seems to enjoy what they are doing.
is your practice small (like your penis)? are you unhappy with yourself? what does your psychologist say about all your anger, do you have issues with mommy and daddy?
Pete, Pete, Pete, You are absolutely right, you have the right to waste your money and your life anyway you want. You have the right to seek and get and pay for "social grooming" or bungee jumping or whatever you want.. but the minute you become a hemiplegic or quadreplegic, guess what? Your freedom to go get your neck popped as a form of chosen social grooming becomes my cost, in that my taxes go to support your helpless life. Do you think that is fair?
Pete, notice the title of this forum is "The Skeptical Chiropractic Discussion Forum". That means: 1) you will likely not find postings voicing support for chirporactic philosophy, techniques, or marketing. 2) Posters here are skeptics, which means they actively question beliefs and statements issued without supporting evidence. 3) You are likely to be exposed to critical thinking on this board, an experience found to be considerably upsetting to pro-chiropractic visitors.
My advice -- spend your money any way you want, but consider yourself notified that personal attacks ("ad hominem", if you've had argumentation and debate training) directed at discussants on this board will not be tolerated.
If you have any complaints or remarks, please post them in one of the "Jeers" sections.
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Successful DC = cheating DC: I read success stories, from patients, but the field as a whole is pathetic! The student default rate of chiropractic is evidence enough there is no demand for chiropractic. Adjustments may help, but are a tool anyone can learn.
Aug 7, 2014 13:47:39 GMT -5
Dissappointed : I have been very disappointed in the quality of life I have been able to provide for my family. Other professions constantly embrace technology which allows them to better service their patients the chiropractor administers try to sell a sub luxation
Aug 15, 2014 10:56:16 GMT -5
Dissappointed : Subluxation 120 years and still searching. The reimbursement in chiropractic is minimal a person better served to obtain a degree in physical therapy state of texas degree physical therapy 28k.
Aug 15, 2014 10:58:59 GMT -5
Dissappointed : Physical therapy would of provided better results than your chiropractic adjustment its manipulation not adjustment another scam.
Aug 15, 2014 11:00:07 GMT -5
rachel: I totally do think that ML is a scam! I wrote about it here: http://rachelmsw.blogspot.com/2014/08/maximized-living-scam.html
Aug 16, 2014 16:42:54 GMT -5
nmsdc: Subluxations, cracks, and nerve interference are nonsensical marketing strategies chiropractors use to rip off the worried well.
Aug 19, 2014 14:07:45 GMT -5
aches: I think if we were well, we would not be searching for a cure for the pain.
Aug 20, 2014 19:56:22 GMT -5
aches: "Worried well" ? If we were well, we wouldn't be looking for relief from neck and back pain.
Aug 20, 2014 19:59:35 GMT -5
charade: if you think a crack is going to help your condition then you are smoking crack! the only light at the end of the chiropractic tunnel is the train!!
Aug 21, 2014 10:35:27 GMT -5
charade: aches: you misunderstood nmsdc's statement. they rip off the worried very well. read slowly and carefully.
Aug 21, 2014 12:33:19 GMT -5
nmsdc: I mean "worried" well people, who are scared and then ripped off for months or years of "subluxation" treatment when a massage or some manual therapy would do.
Aug 21, 2014 15:32:45 GMT -5
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Successful DC = cheating DC : Chiropractic is a joke!!! I am one. . . What profession has so many of its own bad mouthing it?! It should be outlawed and all these so-called chiropractic colleges should be shut down and forced to pay reparations to their graduates.
Aug 27, 2014 21:41:21 GMT -5
The goof above me: Just because you cheated and suck, doesnt mean they all did that...
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