I have seen nearly every chiropractic technique performed but never seen this one (except at a full spine seminar I once saw a "occiput adjustment" move that was supposed to be a modified version of this).
It sounds particularly dangerous and I have heard some "urban legends" about people seeing stars after this "adjustment" or going home and sleeping for 30 years and such stuff.
Quote from the Planetchiro article:
However, I will NEVER forget the first time I was aligned by Dr. Virgil Chrane, Jr. My thought process immediately following his adjustment as I lay on the table, was: "WOW! If I ever get cancer, THIS is the adjustment I want."
Is that a NUTTY quote or what? Here's another:
In 1947 Dr. James W. Parker personally witnessed Dr. Chrane align 268 people in two hours and twenty minutes. He routinely saw between two-hundred and three-hundred people a day. Dr. Chrane said, "If you are seeing twenty people a day, you should only be open twenty minutes."
Next seminar: Work just 100 minutes a week!
(Spend the rest of your time at the mall trying to find people who will pay $35 to have you spend 1 minute with them and pop their upper necks with a "unique, dramatic, dynamic, high velocity, intense decompressive alignment of the upper cervical spine performed manually in three or four adjustive thrusts".)
Post by Copernicus DC on Jul 26, 2004 15:16:41 GMT -5
I've heard that it is a very dangerous and forceful upper cervical manipulation. At Life my thompson technique lab instructor told several students that he stroked out a patient with it. He wasn't a very good clinician; when the patient complained of stroke related symptoms following the manipulation he just did the other side-killing the patient. The instructor said the experience was so traumatizing that he couldn't practice anymore. His solution was to become a technique instructor and teach the move to students!
"The real problem (isn't chiropractic but rather) society's tolerance of disproven theory, unsubstantiated claims and unethical professions."
Post by Copernicus DC on Jul 26, 2004 18:21:23 GMT -5
I don't think he did. I do know that there was one student named Heidi Bivens in the 1980s who was stroked out in the Life University student clinic from a neck manipulation. She became permanently disabled. They allowed her neck to be manipulated against medical orders. The whole thing was subject to a big cover up and few students found out.
Incredibly, the school had the gall to teach students that these people would have stroked out anyway and there was no way it could be from the neck manipulation.
i notice all you guys do is talk amoungst yourselves.
i've have the occipital release. and i felt great about it. and you know what, i enjoy paying my (MINE_GET IT< MINE) money, money that i can do whatever i want to with, on chiropractic. just like i enjoy getting a haircut for 40$, i enjoy paying 35$ for an adjustment, and how dare you tell me how to spend my money. and how dare you tell me what to believe. next you'll be telling me my religion is wrong.
why do you mention you are a DC? you obviously hate DC's. i've read half af what you write, and you hate your profession. why. why all the anger? i enjoy going to a large chiroprctic practice, seeing all the people. and even if it is ALL IN THEIR MINDS, at least they believe they are getting help. instead of bounding from one medical doctors office to another (and if you don't have insurance, paying 500$ for a visit to be told they can't help you, you need to go see a specialist, can be quite expensive), at least the chiropractor seems to enjoy what they are doing.
is your practice small (like your penis)? are you unhappy with yourself? what does your psychologist say about all your anger, do you have issues with mommy and daddy?
Pete, Pete, Pete, You are absolutely right, you have the right to waste your money and your life anyway you want. You have the right to seek and get and pay for "social grooming" or bungee jumping or whatever you want.. but the minute you become a hemiplegic or quadreplegic, guess what? Your freedom to go get your neck popped as a form of chosen social grooming becomes my cost, in that my taxes go to support your helpless life. Do you think that is fair?
Pete, notice the title of this forum is "The Skeptical Chiropractic Discussion Forum". That means: 1) you will likely not find postings voicing support for chirporactic philosophy, techniques, or marketing. 2) Posters here are skeptics, which means they actively question beliefs and statements issued without supporting evidence. 3) You are likely to be exposed to critical thinking on this board, an experience found to be considerably upsetting to pro-chiropractic visitors.
My advice -- spend your money any way you want, but consider yourself notified that personal attacks ("ad hominem", if you've had argumentation and debate training) directed at discussants on this board will not be tolerated.
If you have any complaints or remarks, please post them in one of the "Jeers" sections.
nmsdc: Len has fallen for most logical fallacies. Chiropractic is a placebo-based pseudoscience. Read chiropractics' own literature: Mirtz in CMT.
Jun 12, 2014 14:53:55 GMT -5
Quack: The DC who bought the Harrisons business QUIT MANY OF THE TREATMENTS the Harrisons were known for... The fired Harrisons staff referred Sanghak as a money grubbing quack......
Jun 12, 2014 15:49:18 GMT -5
whatamistake: Len start a discussion on the board not the shout box. It will be a lot easier to read.
Jun 14, 2014 14:52:07 GMT -5
nmsdc: Except that it doesn't; it is a placebo.
Jun 16, 2014 18:52:14 GMT -5
whatamistake: Len, again this conversation should be started in the forum not the shoutbox.But your statement is a classic response by an ignorant person regarding economics, viable professions, and the student debt crisis; all in one.YES YOU SHOULD BLAME THE PROFESSION
Jun 19, 2014 11:39:46 GMT -5
docm: haven't posted in a while, hope all is well in anti-chiroville!
Jun 20, 2014 18:14:10 GMT -5
Dr.scary_poppins: Journal Entry #1: It seems I've come across the internet cesspool collection of failed chiropractors. While I haven't explored much it seems that things are going to get disgusting from here on out. It's not the comments really, it's the smell. It couldn'
Jun 20, 2014 21:47:08 GMT -5
nmsdc: In fact did not fail; collected <$2M in 11 years. Paid off >$125k in student loans. Came to realisation (facts) that chiro is pseudoscience, that it is legislated quackery that wastes everyones time and money. DCs scammed my mother and sister, too.
Jun 23, 2014 13:36:10 GMT -5
dochic: Len-get a grip. Get your head out of the chiro bubble and get a reality check. Fast. I have several friends from my graduating class that are on food stamps, medicaid and just struggling to find a job! Chiropractic profession is garbage.
Jun 23, 2014 21:31:51 GMT -5
Chiropractic should be a crime: Just venting. . .I hate chiropractic. It is the most vicious profession out there. SO many good and smart people got sucked into it now living a sad existence. I feel like a Bernie Madoff victim becoming one.
Jun 24, 2014 16:37:48 GMT -5
nmsdc: Sold PI/WC-whore practice, moved to new state, impossible to restart without scamming people with virtually useless treatments for imaginary conditions like all other DCs in this region of chiro-burned healthcare consumers.
Jun 24, 2014 18:14:33 GMT -5
metasin: So I was looking for chiro forums and found this site. So this is where failed chiros come to cry?
Jun 24, 2014 19:58:35 GMT -5
CR Guest: I have a friend who is debating about investing with ML. Seems like ML spews a lot of BS, but appears to make money. Any past investors on here with good/bad experiences? Did you feel cheated? Were you happy?
Jun 25, 2014 9:02:32 GMT -5
Your Conscience: If scamming people doesn't bother you, ML sounds like a good fit.
Jun 25, 2014 15:16:40 GMT -5
Successful DC = cheating DC: Chiropractic should be outlawed. . .like yesterday. I write my legislators to do just that.
Jun 26, 2014 11:28:59 GMT -5
Successful DC = cheating DC: A nurse, a CNA, an EMT. . .all other healthcare workers make more money on average than a typical DC. Chiropractic is a joke! Look up student default rates of healthcare professions. It is an embarrassment & wake up call that chiropractic sucks!
Jun 26, 2014 13:56:16 GMT -5
Sotak: You guys have some issues that have to be fealty with.....
Jun 26, 2014 21:12:58 GMT -5
nock: If chiropractic is such a failure...then why do people feel get better? Its not like the medical industry is setting the world on fire. Diabetes has gone up over 40% and all the leading killers are preventable diseases.
Jun 30, 2014 11:50:50 GMT -5
whatamistake: Nock.... we're not debating that cracking your back feels good or in your words "gets people better". The issue comes back to quack philosophy behind it, and it doesnt matter what the medical industry is doing because they get paid for it and chiros dont.
Jun 30, 2014 12:41:32 GMT -5
nmsdc: Nock, those are irrelevant appeal logical fallacies. Chiropractic is legislated quackery. Chiropractic is pseudoscience. Subluxation is fictitious, like astrology.
Jun 30, 2014 20:16:55 GMT -5