still living with a chiro injury « Thread Started on Jan 21, 2007, 9:55am »
Four years ago my chiro manipulated my pelvis (on the opposite side than normal) and shortly afterward I was in excruciating pain with the middle of my back, my sacrual area and IJ joint on the right "out." He than stretched me out and stretched out both IJ areas. He was a new chiro with his own practice. I couldn't walk, lying down was terrible, and the pain. I went to another chiro, who had many years more experience than the first one. He said he could help. It took many months to get the pain under control, but I was so "loose" that everything just kept going back "out." I still have a very unstable pelvis and right IJ joint. A lower back right sided muscle is always very tight and swollen. I have finally set up an appointment with an orthopedic surgeon to evaluate why nothing is healing. I had stopped all chiro visits three years ago, and tried strengthening exercises, etc. to no avail. I am a nurse, and this has caused me to take a desk job, because I can't lift anymore, something I don't care for as much. I feel that chiro has absolutely caused an injury that has ruined my career and caused a lot of unnecessary pain. I only went to him originally for an impingement in my neck. He decided that I needed a total overhaul, I guess. Has anyone had something similar go wrong? There was nothing wrong with my pelvis or back before he started moving things around.
Re: still living with a chiro injury « Reply #1 on Jan 21, 2007, 11:09am »
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I feel that chiro has absolutely caused an injury that has ruined my career and caused a lot of unnecessary pain. I only went to him originally for an impingement in my neck. He decided that I needed a total overhaul, I guess. Has anyone had something similar go wrong? There was nothing wrong with my pelvis or back before he started moving things around.
We hear stories like this all the time. Whatever happened to you (and it's impossible to diagnose over the computer), it would seem pretty obvious that you shouldn't have had your low back manipulated if you went in for a neck problem only.
So why would any chiro -- including this one, according to your post -- do such a silly thing? We're back to the "subluxation" and "wellness care" theories that non-symptomatic people should be routinely manipulated to correct imaginary lesions and for "health maintenance".
What happens when chiros go "moving things around" when there's no reason in the world to (except some stupid theory invented at the end of the 19th century by magnetic healer)?
You get stories like the one above.
Take note, future chiropractors now in school, because you will be seeing similar results soon enough. And when you do, you won't have a single shred of evidence to prove that the "treatment" you performed was warranted.
In other words: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Re: still living with a chiro injury « Reply #2 on Jan 29, 2007, 1:38am »
Yep. Years ago I whacked my head and tightened up a tendon in my neck. It was popping when I turned my head so not realizing that it was a tendon I went to my mothers chiropractor and worse even she told this bitch that "she'd take care of everything" like regarding the bill(s). I got the 1 minute interview, 5 second examination and then the super duper drop-table adjustments(4 of those and then the neck thing). They had me label a paper with a skeleton on it and it said"please indicate the area(s) you are feeling pain". I drew an arrow to the neck and prinded clearly "noise only". When I saw her I told herr it was an annoying problem and at this point said "but you can't help me can you?' I got silence and a blank stare but she yep suggested doing some adjustments. I totally relate to you cindy about the looseness it is rediculous. In bed reading a bit at night if I simply uncross my legs it's like cracks throughout my lower back. I feel like somebody just beat on me hard and it's just weak. After sitting around the house all day I feel like I worked 8 hard hours with a shovel. Getting the blood pumping helps but I tried walking the other day for a good bit but it was too much. Now slouching feels better than sitting up straight and I feel totally vulnerable to a downward back spiral. Sure hope she enjoyed that 100 Bucks.
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Re: still living with a chiro injury « Reply #3 on Jan 29, 2007, 8:03am »
I'm not as anti-chiro as most on this board, but a word comes to mind in your case--LAWSUIT! I don't agree with all the lawsuit stuff, but this seems so obviously blatant. I think most of us have a few small 'issues', but what's all this 'drop table' stuff without symptoms? Seriously, a lawsuit can be a messy, expensive thing. But, how about a letter to your state chiro board? Even if nothing is done right away, they will keep a record of it. Some states are more vigilant than others. A simple letter can't hurt. Don't give up. You are young & maybe a lot of rest & other therapy can help. There must be an answer. Mrs "T"
NOTE: I AM NOT A CHIROPRACTOR BUT I HAVE BEEN A CHIROPRACTIC PATIENT
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Re: still living with a chiro injury « Reply #4 on Jan 29, 2007, 9:57am »
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I'm not as anti-chiro as most on this board, but a word comes to mind in your case--LAWSUIT! I don't agree with all the lawsuit stuff, but this seems so obviously blatant. I think most of us have a few small 'issues', but what's all this 'drop table' stuff without symptoms?
Mrs T,
Every chiropractor has their own set of routines that makes them different from the chiropractor across the street. For example one chiropractor may only adjust necks, while another one uses the drop table on every single patient. In this case, the chiropractor using the drop table could have been using a Thompson technique (mostly drop table) or perhaps some variation of gonstead.
In order to get some appreciation of where this chiropractor is coming from, as far as their background is concerned, in chiropractic college they were most likely instructed to follow a routine that would indicate to them where the adjustments had to be performed on the patient. We were told at our school that the patient's actual complaints of pain should be considered to play only a small role in finding the subluxations, while certain techniques encouraged us to ignore these patient complaints of pain altogether.
I think some chiropractors come away from that "straight" education with the concept that they must make at least a perfunctory effort to ask the patient where their pain is, if only in an effort to convince the patient that the Doctor cares about them.
Yet then may be saying to themselves: what this patient just told me doesn't matter, I'm going to do whatever I want anyways, or better still, I'm going to do whatever the technique divining rod says I should do. So the chiropractor pull the arm on the slot machine: looks at the leg check, performs muscle tests... In chiropractic school we got the impression that it was those chiropractors who most closely followed the most complex techniques such as SOT or Gonstead, who were the most respectable Doctors and who got the best results. While we frowned upon those chiropractors who performed the exact same adjustment on every single patient. And yet, who knows, maybe that "non-specific" chiropractor actually has a better approach than the chiropractor who has deluded themself into believing that their own technique when followed to a "T" will produce infallible results.
Quite often, chiropractors seem to be taught that their respective technique is essentially infallible, if they apply it correctly. So when the chiropractor is treating a patient, they are putting their faith completely into the technique they are using. Various tests such as leg length or muscle testing are assumed by the chiropractor to give them direct evidence of a particular spinal lesion. If the chiropractor puts their full faith into the idea that these methods of uncovering the patient true problem trump actual presenting symptoms or any objection that the patient may have for that matter, then the likelihood of injuring that patient probably goes up. Many of these chiropractors have blindly placed their faiths into a careerpath that they assume is completely legitimate.
I can say that with authority about those who graduated from schools such as Life University where fringe ideas like these were accepted and passed on as scientific fact as part of the modus operandi. The result is that these schools have graduated a glut of chiropractors who are following methods of patient treatment that are based on making the wrong assumptions. These techniques do not actually work in the manner in which they were taught in school to believe. Of course, if the chiropractor is a good salesman and can assert his false chiropractic notions with enough conviction and charisma, then the patient can be persuaded to buy the product.
Re: still living with a chiro injury « Reply #5 on Jan 29, 2007, 10:32am »
Alexjones said:
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When I saw her I told her it was an annoying problem and at this point said "but you can't help me can you?' I got silence and a blank stare but she...suggested doing some adjustments.
That blank deer in the headlights stare that you got from that chiropractor was a moment of truth where you temporarily break the fourth wall and admit that this whole thing was a dog and pony show. Rather than address your objection, the chiropractor looked for their teleprompter and continued reading their lines, hoping that the audience in Chiroville theater wouldn't notice the fumble.
When I attended chiropractic college, the leadershipthat spoke to us at school assemblies often whispered messages into our ears such as: "Whenever a patient comes into your office, or whenever you first meet someone for that matter, you should give them a firm handshake and project yourself with confidence." Basic toastmaster type stuff right? Yet another thing that was suggested to us was that: "Whenever you greet a patient, you should never ask them how they are doing. This only gives them the opportunity to say something negative such as `I feel terrible today`." The point I am getting at is that we were schooled in the art of salesmanship. The take home message for us was: "Projecting false sincerity is a tool that you, the chiropractor should consider using."
Many of the things that chiropractors do which make it seem as if they genuinely care about you, may be just an act designed to get you to sign on the dotted line.
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Re: still living with a chiro injury « Reply #6 on Jan 29, 2007, 10:34am »
Thanks for the explanation. I assume by your post that the treatment would hold up in court. Maybe so, but a sharp lawyer could disprove it & yes, maybe discredit the school. It looks like things are going this way anyway. I am so thrilled with the BCBS trying to clean up the insurance fraud! I still think my former chiro will talk them out of it--he's so slick. I hope they just quit making payments (maybe they have) which they could have done years ago so our premiums wouldn't have gone thru the roof.
Re: still living with a chiro injury « Reply #7 on Jan 29, 2007, 5:47pm »
Thanks you guys. Not feeling good about the courts. My mom built her house near a vernal pool that we later found out gets waay bigger when it rains a lot. Guess the engineers missed this so even she went to court which is not like her. Hah she lost, judge said "how are they supposed to know what's under the ground?" beats me"it's their job?" I rest like mad it is useless but on the up side I did learn from the chiro that that popping sound in my neck was just a "ligament hitting a rough spot" *insert Homer's maniacal laughter* haaaaaaaaaaha
Re: still living with a chiro injury « Reply #8 on Feb 7, 2007, 10:14pm »
Alexjones, I'm going to an orthopedic spec. next week to hopefully figure out what is wrong and why this is still bothering me. I can relate to that popping. Between my shoulders, my neck, and especially my right hip and somewhere in the back. Can't really pinpoint it. Just last saturday, I was standing in the store with my legs sort of crossed, walked into another store and here we go again, pain in the right groin, pain in the lower pelvis, couldn't walk, couldn't move, couldn't sit. Had to walk out to my car, very slowly without creating a scene. I received my x-rays and progress notes from the second chiro I went to - the x-ray report read something like the pelvis was rotated. A PT I know feels I had some sort of partial IJ seperation with the pelvic rotation. If I try to pick something up that is heavy, I feel it in the sacral area and in the right IJ area. Just bumping into something with my hip, I feel I go out. And than with PMS, and the beginning of my period, I have terrible pain in the right IJ area going into the hip and into the front of my right thigh - Tylenol doesn't touch it and I can't take anything else. That pain is the worst. Just hope that there is something that can be done. In my first message here, I didn't make it very clear how the injury occurred. Usually the chiro would say, that right butt of yours and manipulate that area. That day he came in and said that left butt of yours, something he never said the whole 6 months I'd been seeing him. And he manipulated there. He sent me into another room for the electrode therapy and I felt something in my midback out or pulling. He brought me back into the room and pushed on that area and sent me on my way. The next day, I couldn't sit, I felt I was giving birth to my tailbone, etc..... Couldn't walk, couldn't move my hips.... Just got so much worse from there. So, here I am, not much improved. And really upset about ever seeing this man.
Re: still living with a chiro injury « Reply #9 on Mar 5, 2007, 11:15pm »
Exactly. I almost walked out when the receptionist carded me for my ID. Dang, Oh well there's always black magic, white magic, or my old standby do nothing and let God get 'em.
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