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Help us identify Life's 2nd stroke victim
« Thread Started on Oct 12, 2006, 11:27am »

Everyone,

A member has told me that there was a second stroke victim at Life University besides Heidi Bivens. If anyone knows the name of this individuals and details please post. I believe she was a student.

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Re: Help us identify Life's 2nd stroke victim
« Reply #1 on Oct 28, 2006, 6:21pm »

WOuld this not be a violation of HIPAA to disclose this patient healt Identifier (PHI) without the personas consent? Or have you not heard of HIPAA?

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« Reply #2 on Oct 28, 2006, 9:35pm »

Good point ethicsprof,

We should keep this in mind.

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Re: Help us identify Life's 2nd stroke victim
« Reply #3 on Jul 3, 2007, 12:37pm »

2nd reported stroke in Life's 30 year existence. You guys cant possibly generalize this to the general population. That would be scientifically insignificant. Why don't you try the number of people that obtain a staff infection leading to permanent visceral malfunction or death in medical school teaching hospitals? This board is fun and I am so glad that I joined because as a newly graduated chiropractic student (who by the way chose chiropractic over U of A law school and Med School of Charleston) I will be more informed on the objections "some" people will possess when I encounter potential new patients.

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« Reply #4 on Jul 3, 2007, 1:14pm »

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and argue them into care? ::)

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« Reply #5 on Jul 3, 2007, 1:25pm »

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This board is fun and I am so glad that I joined because as a newly graduated chiropractic student (who by the way chose chiropractic over U of A law school and Med School of Charleston) I will be more informed on the objections "some" people will possess when I encounter potential new patients.

Are you trying to convince us.... or yourself?

Boy, I sure don't miss "encountering potential new patients" -- what a headache that was. It's funny, in most health care professions the new patients come to you.

But I'm sure you'll say you've got new patients beating down your door as we speak to get their spines checked. Yeah right.

Good luck at the "health fair" with your plastic spine!!

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Re: Help us identify Life's 2nd stroke victim
« Reply #6 on Jul 3, 2007, 2:34pm »

jaddison, sounds like you have some research that validates chiropractic? Mind if you enlighten me as to just one legitimate study that validates just one chiropractic technique? Shouldn't be too hard. Please avoid general manipulation (technically not a chiropractic technique and anecdotal claims).

So here we have another newbie chiro that has been trained to bash medicine in an effort to validate chiropractic. Jeeez, we've never heard that approach before.

jaddison, what chiropractic technique do you use and what illnesses do you purport to help and please don't be vague with your answer?

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Re: Help us identify Life's 2nd stroke victim
« Reply #7 on Jul 3, 2007, 2:37pm »

Actually DoctorSJ, I do not have patients beating down my doors, and no need for the personal attacks. It shows that in an argument you have no foundation to base your discussion on. First off, your inferrences to my statement is totally irresponsible. I never made claims that I have patients beating down my doors nor that I attend health fairs with a plastic spine. So, if the only thing that you have to say is basically, "You are ugly, and I am not" maybe your educational road was cut way too short.

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Re: Help us identify Life's 2nd stroke victim
« Reply #8 on Jul 3, 2007, 2:44pm »

jaddison said, "I was wondering, DrJ and Cody, were there other post grad opportunities available to you or was chiropractic the only viable option because of such low admission standards?"

then said, "I do not have patients beating down my doors, and no need for the personal attacks."

A little hypocritical, but at least you acknowledge the low admission standards for chiropractic.

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Re: Help us identify Life's 2nd stroke victim
« Reply #9 on Jul 3, 2007, 2:44pm »

I was not trained to bash medicine, my dear friend. I was raised in a family of medical doctors of whom still to this day I greatly respect. I was trained from an early age to question close mindedness whether it is from my profession, chiropractic, or from any other profession. I merely provide a service to help people function in daily life. I don't cure nor do I promise to cure. As for research, go to pub med and look up chiropractic care AND musculoskeletal issues. You will find a respected journal named JMPT. It has been around since the late 1970's. Now, I know what you are going to say. AHA! He is an idiot because all of those or most of those studies were conducted by chiropractors! Just like pharmaceutical companies have researchers on their payroll and the AMA has researchers who are MDs.

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Re: Help us identify Life's 2nd stroke victim
« Reply #10 on Jul 3, 2007, 2:46pm »

DrJ, you won....I was wrong. please forgive. Your intellectual fortitude is more than I can handle. The defense rests, your honor. I concede to the prosecutor. Too many loopholes to overcome, your honor, the state has caught me with my pants down!

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Re: Help us identify Life's 2nd stroke victim
« Reply #11 on Jul 3, 2007, 2:48pm »

This is fun!!! You see guys. This is what we need. Healthy debate. What is that old adage...."sticks and stones...............".

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Re: Help us identify Life's 2nd stroke victim
« Reply #12 on Jul 3, 2007, 2:49pm »

jaddison, I asked you to be specific in giving just one legitimate research study that validates a chiropractic technique. I asked you not to be vague. Also, what technique do you use?

I was a chiropractor for a long time. Please don't BS me.

It's very easy to BS lay people. You're not talking to lay people.

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Re: Help us identify Life's 2nd stroke victim
« Reply #13 on Jul 3, 2007, 3:08pm »

DrJ, I gave you a site that has plenty of research. How is that BSing you. I didn't assume you were lay people, because there is no need to debate with lay people. You can not even tell me how I am BSing you. You don't have an argument. I told you where the research is, DrJ. Oh, I am an activator doctor. I am sure you can disprove that technique, my friend.

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Re: Help us identify Life's 2nd stroke victim
« Reply #14 on Jul 3, 2007, 3:32pm »

Ok, the BSing that you're doing, which is quite common among chiropractors when challenged to support the chiropractic nonsense, is to attempt to dismiss my questioning the validity of chiropractic by directing me to JMPT. As if there is ANY legitimate research in JMPT that supports any chiropractic technique. Again, who do you think you are talking to?

The questions to you were simple. One research study. After four years of chiro college, I assumed you would be able to point to one. Just one.

As for activator. If there is a bigger sham that has been perpetrated upon the american public, I'd like to know. I took my share of activator seminars from the Major himself. He should have been thrown in jail for all the BS he was hawking.

I (we) are not reponsible for disproving a negative, as has been pointed out here in other posts. It is up to the person that makes the claims to prove what he is doing is valid. Not the other way around. But I assumed you knew that, jaddison. Apparently not. Last chance, give me one legitimate study that validates the activator technique.

The absolute stupidity of activator technique cannot be over estimated. It is pure BS. And billing patients and insurance companies for activator treatments is healthcare fraud.

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Re: Help us identify Life's 2nd stroke victim
« Reply #15 on Jul 3, 2007, 3:32pm »

I private messaged you jaddison. Please keep the posts on topic by not diverging with unrelated posts. You can always post a new thread elsewhere.

It is well known that manipulation can help cervicogenic headache. However the safety profile for PT is much better than manipulation because of a lower risk of stroke so that round goes to the PTs.

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Re: Help us identify Life's 2nd stroke victim
« Reply #16 on Jul 3, 2007, 3:40pm »

Thanks Allen. As you know, chiros are infamous for hitching their wagons to PT studies.

jaddison, you have wasted my time with references to manipulative therapy studies.

And the activator study you refernced.....you've got to be kidding. It involved ONE patient.

Legitimate studies are double blind or random controlled. I assumed you knew this.

Please don't defraud the public any longer.

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Re: Help us identify Life's 2nd stroke victim
« Reply #17 on Jul 4, 2007, 1:02am »

jaddison is a fully licensed, board certified doctor of chiropractic, with all the rights, privilages, and responsibilities thereof.

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« Reply #18 on Jul 4, 2007, 9:04am »

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Actually DoctorSJ, I do not have patients beating down my doors, and no need for the personal attacks.

Fair enough. I apologize for the personal attack. You should apologize for this message, where you said:

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This DC actually believes that those facts represent a powerful showing. It also made me realize that this board is compiled of disgruntled failed chiropractic businessmen.

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Re: Help us identify Life's 2nd stroke victim
« Reply #19 on Jul 4, 2007, 12:55pm »

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It is well known that manipulation can help cervicogenic headache. However the safety profile for PT is much better than manipulation because of a lower risk of stroke so that round goes to the PTs.

Would you mind elaborating on this?

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