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Re: Maximized Living « Reply #390 on Jan 12, 2012, 9:34am »
But the problem just started: “You know how you remember good times you had growing up as a child or pain that you suffered in you past? Well, the body works the same way with trauma. Each slip, fall, stress, or accident you have had made an impact on the spine and the nervous system and if nothing was done to correct them then they add up over time.”
This little brain washing technique is what hooked my gullible wife! She had a fall when she was a teen and the quack fully exploited it and put the fear of death into her! Quite sad really
Re: Maximized Living « Reply #391 on Feb 19, 2012, 6:55pm »
I started going to a ML chiropractor in October 2011. I had gone to a few other chiropractors, but had to stop because I couldn't afford it. I had a lot of lower back pain, couldn't stand for more than 30 minutes without being in quite a lot of pain, and I am only 21. This had been going on since I was 16 or so. My boyfriend told me the chiropractor he used to go to only charged like $25, so I decided to check it out. I have read the scripts Allen posted, and yeah, quite a bit of it was almost verbatim. Everything he said seemed logical though. He did give us a lot of payment options, told us how many visits he recommended, and said we could pay it all at once, monthly, or visit by visit. He started me off with 2 visits a week for 17 weeks, then down to one. This was a tentative schedule, he said it could change depending on how I responded. (My boyfriend is also going again. We received no discount for signing someone else up. I won't go into his treatment as that is his business.) He said the goal was to get down to one or two visits a year, and that most of his patients have been able to do so. He did show us our x-rays and went over what was wrong. My spine is curved to the left, and my neck is straight, almost curved forwards. He did not give us identical problems. I am not sure about the whole ML thing, especially after reading so many pages of this forum, but he seems like a good doctor, and the visits have helped tremendously. I can stand for upwards of 7-8 hours and be perfectly fine. I think the total cost for both of our treatment plans is around $2100, and that includes x-rays, the home care kits, and all the adjustments. That is much less than my suggested treatment path at the other "traditional" chiropractors. I guess my point of all of this is that maybe there are some good ML chiropractors out there, who aren't just in it for the money and truly do care about their patients. I am still doing research into it, but I suppose time will tell.
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Re: Maximized Living « Reply #392 on Feb 20, 2012, 5:49am »
I'm not aware of any long term studies showing that these chiropractors can get anyone down to 1-2 visits per year. 1x/month and never ending exercises due to biomechanical treatment failure is common. Beware oral promises.
"The real problem (isn't chiropractic but rather) society's tolerance of disproven theory, unsubstantiated claims and unethical professions." -A. Botnick DC.
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Re: Maximized Living « Reply #393 on Feb 20, 2012, 10:15am »
okcchiropatient, my wife has been going at least once a week for three years now, with no change what so ever. She is ready to fork out another $3000 for the promise of better health. She has changed her diet to abide to the strict ML food guide and does daily exercises. Now, I can tell you the added exercise has improved her energy. But, she didn't need to spend $3000 to do that! A personal trainer would have been a wiser option. As for the weekly adjustments, keep reading this site and see that they are really just a placebo with a little bit of stimulation to keep you coming back for more.
Re: Maximized Living « Reply #395 on Feb 22, 2012, 10:01am »
I need a quick response. My husband went to thier free exam and said I had to come with to the presentation. 1 1/2 hours later and alot of scare tactics including cures for alzheimers and curing type 1 diabetes as well as thyroid issues. I was led to a room with my husband where the presentation was made. It was on the lines of a time share, playing lets make a deal. Bless my husbands heart, his family as well as mine has been significantly impacted by alzheimers, colon cancer and this doctor assured she can prevent this from happening as well as cure our daughter who has had since age 8, type 1 diabetes. There is nothing I would like more than a cure, but realistically, this person refused to deal with the medical profession. I told her I was concerned with someone who was going to reduce my daughters need for insulin as her pancreas produces a trace of insulin. She focused on my husband who was eating up the "cure". I say a 5 part $5,000 treatment for my husband and daughter along with supplements (I read the brochure, my husband listened to her words) I am not saying that holistic approach is bad, I am the first to agree that a healthier lifestyle is always first choice, but to feed off the fear of parents with 3 children with lifelong challenges. She even hinted that my sons learning disability could be "fixed" As well as his genetic immunine defficiency. I tested this "doctors" well meaning "let's make a deal" approach to financing. The dollar amount per month was more than our mortgage and she still pushed and didn't bat an eye when I suggested to my husband that we remortage our house (to see how far he would go) to get this amazing treatment. We have prepaid for our son's braces (he has an issue that would not allow his jaw to aline so he could eat properly) but to prepay a doctor, commit a 16 yr old girl to her care for life, re mortage our house and hope for a cure for diabetes and have the person suggesting this not ask for the primary care doctors information. They even suggested they can reverse and cure high cholesterol. yeah, try not eating crap, that will cure it fast. I need to convince my husband that this maximized living "system" is just that. I have never felt more pressured in my life and I am not willing to chance a doctor that will suggest that they can not only reactivate but regrow insulin cells that modern medicine can't. high pressure selling fear... I am on the verge of calling the loca news and having them go undercover.
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Re: Maximized Living « Reply #396 on Feb 22, 2012, 10:20am »
Demand that the DC:
1. Show high quality research supporting his disease curing/preventing claims. This is not trade journals. Get a second opinion from a MD on the research.
2. Give you a guarantee in writing that if you follow the program and have bad results (health worsens, no change) you get your money back.
That should take care of it. He won't agree.
Follow up by filing a complaint with the state chiropractic board for false and/or misleading advertising, high pressure tactics and unnecessary care.
Honestly, this is just a waste of your time. You should just tell him not to contact you again, forget about him and file the complaint. There's no way he can live up to those promises.
"The real problem (isn't chiropractic but rather) society's tolerance of disproven theory, unsubstantiated claims and unethical professions." -A. Botnick DC.
I need a quick response. My husband went to thier free exam and said I had to come with to the presentation. 1 1/2 hours later and alot of scare tactics including cures for alzheimers and curing type 1 diabetes as well as thyroid issues. I was led to a room with my husband where the presentation was made. It was on the lines of a time share, playing lets make a deal. Bless my husbands heart, his family as well as mine has been significantly impacted by alzheimers, colon cancer and this doctor assured she can prevent this from happening as well as cure our daughter who has had since age 8, type 1 diabetes. There is nothing I would like more than a cure, but realistically, this person refused to deal with the medical profession. I told her I was concerned with someone who was going to reduce my daughters need for insulin as her pancreas produces a trace of insulin. She focused on my husband who was eating up the "cure". I say a 5 part $5,000 treatment for my husband and daughter along with supplements (I read the brochure, my husband listened to her words) I am not saying that holistic approach is bad, I am the first to agree that a healthier lifestyle is always first choice, but to feed off the fear of parents with 3 children with lifelong challenges. She even hinted that my sons learning disability could be "fixed" As well as his genetic immunine defficiency. I tested this "doctors" well meaning "let's make a deal" approach to financing. The dollar amount per month was more than our mortgage and she still pushed and didn't bat an eye when I suggested to my husband that we remortage our house (to see how far he would go) to get this amazing treatment. We have prepaid for our son's braces (he has an issue that would not allow his jaw to aline so he could eat properly) but to prepay a doctor, commit a 16 yr old girl to her care for life, re mortage our house and hope for a cure for diabetes and have the person suggesting this not ask for the primary care doctors information. They even suggested they can reverse and cure high cholesterol. yeah, try not eating crap, that will cure it fast. I need to convince my husband that this maximized living "system" is just that. I have never felt more pressured in my life and I am not willing to chance a doctor that will suggest that they can not only reactivate but regrow insulin cells that modern medicine can't. high pressure selling fear... I am on the verge of calling the loca news and having them go undercover.
Wow. This is so wrong as to be bordering on criminal. No- none of those things can be prevented or cured with chiropractic. Do not mortgage your house. Do not go back. Have your husband read this message. Have him call the local chiro board and ask if these promises are true. Whatever it takes, but don't let him be suckered in by these false promises and take your family down with him. The worst part about this scam is that the chiropractor actually believes they can do these things. S/he does not think they are lying, and that's what makes it so convincing.
Investigate better diets, more activity, better lifestyles in general, those are wonderful ideas, but you do not need this person to do so.
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Re: Maximized Living « Reply #398 on Feb 22, 2012, 12:40pm »
I really hope that you husband reads this board. My wife drank the kool aid 3 years ago with the same promises. We don't have any diabetes but Lets see.... 3 years later and our son who has a learning disability...still has a learning disability (despite the apparent removal of all those terrible subluxations ) My wife, three years ago was taking thyroid medication....and what do you know? Three years of Maximized Living later and she is still taking thyroid medication!
drbacon says: Investigate better diets, more activity, better lifestyles in general, those are wonderful ideas, but you do not need this person to do so
That is the secret to the Maximized Living Scam! If you make those changes, you will probably feel a lot better! You don't need to mortgage your house to pay a chiropractor to crack your neck and back.
Re: Maximized Living « Reply #399 on Feb 22, 2012, 10:38pm »
Thanks. There is no way I would ever consider re mortaging our home unless it was truly necessary. It just shocked me that the woman gave no indication how in appropriate it was in this economy, when we were very blunt about our financial situation. She still asked if we had others in the family that would participate. That was just souless in this economy. I have proven to myself and our daughter that the right food and activity makes a huge difference. I have thyroid issues as well as most of the women in my family. 2 have had thyroid cancer and had them removed because of growths. Genetics play a role. What I thought was funny was the woman said "if you can afford a flat screen (we don't have one) a cell phone for you and your children (we have none), a car that was made in the last 5 years (our newest car is a 1999) and trips (we drive to the lake) for the family, you can afford this. I wanted to say "Guess we can't, according to you, guess we're doomed to get cancer and die" I really am considering filing a complaint, but I am not sure with whom. My daughter is happy with a PT, OT that she is working with to strengthen her core and working on her posture. Considering yoga for her (and me) to reduce stress and relaxation and flexibilty.
There is no way we could afford this, but hoping that the other two people in this "meeting" we went to were "plants" and not potential customers.
Thanks. There is no way I would ever consider re mortaging our home unless it was truly necessary. It just shocked me that the woman gave no indication how in appropriate it was in this economy, when we were very blunt about our financial situation.
The very thing that irks a lot of people oddly enough. I count myself among the irked More than just with chiropractic, but this forum is for the skeptic of chiropractic.
And worth pointing out jrstock, is this quality of venality, this oblivious nature of character to all things that do not apply to thier thoughts of what one does to another. How one's actions ultimately effect another that you see discussed here... The exacting nature of a well orchestrated deception.
This trend does run in all things as you might imagine. Banking comes to mind Many chiropractors making a case for regular use of chiropractic that come here use that as the excuse... In a field that tries to tie itself into the mainstream of health care in general and gain and maintain public trust and therefore get more utilization there is an awful lot of "interesting things" going on in chiropractic.
For these ML people it seems the easy part for them comes in allowing the person bieng persuaded to be building a well seated fear around something only that ML chiropractor can find.. Very convienent if you are that chiropractor ..but again, none outside of that really agree on what or where they are to be found..... ...That in itself should be a pretty big red flag......Mainly because repeatability is actually a hallmark of good treatment regimes. The only thing repeatable about the chiropractic subluxation and finding one however, is that the chiropractor seems to be the only one who can find one, the only person that can properly treat it, and the funny part of it all as was noted is that there is not one iota of consensus on what actually constitutes the subluxation, where it is found for a given problem, or with what protocol do you use to rid one of it. ...again no consistency....seems odd ...no? And yet they are the specialists in finding them? Have a doctorate in it and everything...
This ML thing is actually one of the oldest tricks in the book. Create and build up a problem in the person's mind for which you oddly enough are the one capable of ridding said problem. For a fee of course.
"The real problem (isn't chiropractic but rather) society's tolerance of disproven theory, unsubstantiated claims and unethical professions." -A. Botnick DC.
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Re: Maximized Living « Reply #402 on Feb 23, 2012, 9:00pm »
Jrstock,
I would rec filing a complaint with the chiro board. The effort is finally underway to crackdown on these garbage chiro's scaring the hell out of people into thousands of dollars up front. These chiro's are offering 'guarnteed" results which is of course illegal. In the past the chiro would blame the patient for less than optimal results when they missed one of their 475 appts in their 'care plan.' Blue cross and many other insurance companies aren't amused....lots of chiro's have been forced to pay back money on their bogus patient contracts.
Re: Maximized Living « Reply #403 on Mar 1, 2012, 11:04am »
I just had to post because I hate to see harm come to my fellow man. I know of a practicing "chiroquacker" here in town and have seen the resulting pack of dissatified patients. Unfortunately, he's networking through the church and everything is about "living as God would have you live". Because we're dealing with church people here and some of the church members are totally ingrained with the philosophy, when something does go wrong, people are inclined to not talk about it because they don't want to hurt anyone's feelings or shed a bad light on the "doctor" (who really is a personable guy).
What made me want to post, is that a widow in the church was suffering from pain in her arm. Her family doctor couldn't find anything initially and gave her some pain meds. Not long after, the pain became excrutiating and friends convinced her to go see the chiro. He did the usual exam and xray and told her he could fix the problem. She doesn't have any money, so he told her to take out a loan to pay for the sessions (pay up front, of course). Thank God, she went to another MD instead. Turned out she had a tumor that had grown large enough to break the bone in her arm. The bone was set, she's undergoing cancer treatment and she's alive. Had she gone with the chiroquacker, she would have been 1) out lots of money 2) still in severe pain 3) cancer that would have rapidly progressed because it was left untreated.
I can't stand people who prey on widows and the helpless. They have no shame.
Re: Maximized Living « Reply #405 on Mar 15, 2012, 3:19pm »
Hello!
I have been seeing a representative from Maximized Living, not for the chiropractic help, but for nutrition only. The nutritional information from the book by BJ Hardick seems very reliable. Does anyone have any info the nutrition part of Maximized Living? I am currently obese and was referred to a nutritionist at ML to talk about living a healthier lifestyle.
Thanks.
Btw, I paid for 4 sessions for $250. Once I learn the basics, I'm out.
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Re: Maximized Living « Reply #406 on Mar 15, 2012, 9:02pm »
What they have done in order to "sell" you there version of the ideal foods to eat is taken some common sense stuff that you can find on the internet (if you somehow didn't realize that eating fast food pizza, burgers and french fries every day was bad for you ) and added what they call "foods to avoid". Sugar is to be avoided at all times. It is evil and therefore not to be eaten duh... Grains are bad Only certain types of meats, always free of antibiotic/free range etc. etc. etc. I could go on and on. Some of what my wife has "ordered" us to eat makes sense, but in order to follow the plan exactly, I would be miserable and not be enjoying life! And to be honest, because it has to do with Maximized Living, I have put up road blocks! I believe in balance and moderation. My wife went on the ML one month challenge where she followed the "can't eat this" and "not allowed that" ( no grains, potatoes, rice and others that I can't recall right now) regime in order to lose weight and feel better.....guess what? One month later guess how much she lost? 1 pound...The problem from what I saw was that she ended up eating more of the foods that she was allowed! For example, walnuts, almonds and pecans were allowed. She ate lots of them to help her fill up....well....those nuts are good for you, but eat too many and you won't lose weight.
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Re: Maximized Living « Reply #407 on Mar 15, 2012, 10:17pm »
Agreed. I've read their plan. In my opinion, It's pop nutrition, fad nutrition, heavyhanded christian prosylitizing to guilt trip people into following their recommendations and questionable, overprescribed and excessively expensive one size fits all supplements. You should avoid them.
As far as obesity books go I recommend Full: A Life Without Dieting by Michael A. Snyder MD.
"The real problem (isn't chiropractic but rather) society's tolerance of disproven theory, unsubstantiated claims and unethical professions." -A. Botnick DC.
I have been seeing a representative from Maximized Living, not for the chiropractic help, but for nutrition only. The nutritional information from the book by BJ Hardick seems very reliable. Does anyone have any info the nutrition part of Maximized Living? I am currently obese and was referred to a nutritionist at ML to talk about living a healthier lifestyle.
Thanks.
Btw, I paid for 4 sessions for $250. Once I learn the basics, I'm out.
BJ Hardick is a very slick and persuasive salesman who was born into this profession. Although he did get an undergraduate degree in science at a respectable Canadian University, that did not impart the scientific reasoning skills needed to be able to recognize the difference between real evidence based medicine and the easy appeal of faith based superstition, which is what his degree from Life University represents.
[quote author=somethingbeautiful board=cult thread=3009 post=44104 time=1331842768] BJ Hardick is a very slick and persuasive salesman who was born into this profession. Although he did get an undergraduate degree in science at a respectable Canadian University, that did not impart the scientific reasoning skills needed to be able to recognize the difference between real evidence based medicine and the easy appeal of faith based superstition, which is what his degree from Life University represents.
Agreed but even if they did he wouldn't be successful and appealing to people if he didn't push woo and religious intimidation.
"The real problem (isn't chiropractic but rather) society's tolerance of disproven theory, unsubstantiated claims and unethical professions." -A. Botnick DC.
[quote author=somethingbeautiful board=cult thread=3009 post=44104 time=1331842768] BJ Hardick is a very slick and persuasive salesman who was born into this profession. Although he did get an undergraduate degree in science at a respectable Canadian University, that did not impart the scientific reasoning skills needed to be able to recognize the difference between real evidence based medicine and the easy appeal of faith based superstition, which is what his degree from Life University represents.
Agreed but even if they did he wouldn't be successful and appealing to people if he didn't push woo and religious intimidation.
Well, then there is also something fundimental that you must add to the mix which helps to drive up numbers for these individuals.
I have met and talked with many patients who have confessed without prompting a dismay at thier lack of understanding of themselves. They did not realize or were told that thier pain was a simpe fix. They were feeling embarrassed about thier allowance of someone to take advantage of them for so long without bieng told as such.. So, can we agree that there is also some room then that the type of person succeptible to persuasion by such individuals also plays a role as well? Have you seen the videos on the average person on the street in the US? Do we need to do that? Do we need to get into the religious debate on things that give people guilt as a result of it bieng used to bring them around to a "certain beneficial way of thinking"? No. We all are familiar with that stuff. So it seems are they. Quite so. Fun game till it crumbles I suppose because any house of cards has it's windy days..In order to lead people though for the most part they in turn must want to be lead. There is as much weakness in the human psyche as much as there is strength. My point is, those who are able to target the weak are able to exploit them and the weak in a lot of ways allow them to..... Agreed?
[quote author=admin board=cult thread=3009 post=44112 time=1332008663] So, can we agree that there is also some room then that the type of person succeptible to persuasion by such individuals also plays a role as well? Have you seen the videos on the average person on the street in the US? Do we need to do that? Do we need to get into the religious debate on things that give people guilt as a result of it bieng used to bring them around to a "certain beneficial way of thinking"? No. We all are familiar with that stuff. So it seems are they. Quite so. Fun game till it crumbles I suppose because any house of cards has it's windy days..In order to lead people though for the most part they in turn must want to be lead. There is as much weakness in the human psyche as much as there is strength. My point is, those who are able to target the weak are able to exploit them and the weak in a lot of ways allow them to..... Agreed?
The extent to which sellers are allowed to exploit others varies only to the extent which a culture values consumer protections. In Eurpose where social justice and protections are valued, they matter and this explains the recent anti-alternative medicine crackdown against false claims and pseudoscience. Here in the USA where politics and money making dominate consumer protections and other protective regulation are surpressed or negated so that the quacks can counter by using indoctrination tactics to exploit the naive who are the easiest marks. It's a reflection of a larger social climate.
"The real problem (isn't chiropractic but rather) society's tolerance of disproven theory, unsubstantiated claims and unethical professions." -A. Botnick DC.
Here in the USA where politics and money making dominate consumer protections and other protective regulation are surpressed or negated so that the quacks can counter by using indoctrination tactics to exploit the naive who are the easiest marks. It's a reflection of a larger social climate.
Quacks in their entirety not just chiropractors are far less influential than advertisement. Here in the USA consumer protection is undermined by the media. The problem is systemic nation wide. The promotion of natural health in any matter is more beneficial that the ideal concept the public had from misinforming media and the internet. You speak of indoctoration tactics, your conception is far overinflated. I think your deprogramming of chiropractic has left you with a bias misinterpretation of systemic flaws in healthcare in general. I agree with you to an extent of issues involving chiropractic, but the degree of vindictive and malicious attacks proves to be one-sided against a health profession that is rapidly gaining credibility with the scientific community.
I would like to see more skepticism involved with consumer protection and less "scare-tactics" and nasty attacks on the profession. The profession is slowly growing and in no way shape or form with be abolished anytime soon.
Surely we must understand that the current level of health cannot be explained solely though science, whereas the beliefs of individuals and unknown physiologic correlation are yet unexplainable. Health is a combination of science art and philosophy, pending on the individual the amount needed of each varies.
Overall do I agree with Maximum Living practices, no... you bring up a lot of valid points in this topic.
rapidly gaining credibility with the scientific community.
Talk about "overinflated"...
I'm not sure this would be a correct assumption on your part either.
Anyway, while I do not share the burden that your profession has placed on many people who visit here (loans, deception jobless rate, static market etc.) I do feel it is still important to point out something about your argument for change and credibility in your field.
Whatever credibility the EB chiropractor (however few there are) provides to the whole of chiropractic is not a large enough ripple to create a wave of change big enough to overtake the quacks hiding within. ....ducks float......And your frustration with them and what they have done to your field will remain.
"The real problem (isn't chiropractic but rather) society's tolerance of disproven theory, unsubstantiated claims and unethical professions." -A. Botnick DC.
Re: Maximized Living « Reply #415 on Mar 18, 2012, 1:55pm »
Does anyone have an ideal eating plan that I should follow? The internet confuses the crap outta me of what's bad and what's not bad. It goes both ways. Whole grains are good. Whole grains are bad. Dairy is good. Dairy is bad. What would be best?
"The real problem (isn't chiropractic but rather) society's tolerance of disproven theory, unsubstantiated claims and unethical professions." -A. Botnick DC.
Does anyone have an ideal eating plan that I should follow? The internet confuses the crap outta me of what's bad and what's not bad. It goes both ways. Whole grains are good. Whole grains are bad. Dairy is good. Dairy is bad. What would be best?
First speak to you GP. The best start would be to cut out all refined foods(essentially everything you find in aisles), shop on the periphery of the store and load up on vegetables and fruit from a broad color. Meats in moderation and overall target your caloric intake proportional do you daily activity. Multiple meals should be small when densely packed with macronutrients as to not spike your blood sugar. The American Diet in general does so much harm to our vessels it's ridiculous, thus the prevalence of heart disease diabetes etc.
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Re: Maximized Living « Reply #418 on Mar 18, 2012, 5:35pm »
I know it's the chiropractic way but you really shouldn't try to give advice in a paragraph that deserves at least a book. It makes you look like a moron. You haven't even read the Full book so you don't know what the current obesity recommendations are.
>First speak to you GP.
MDs get two hours of nutrition in med school curriculums, no training in environmental health and no training in supplements so aside from diagnosing flagrant disease they are very limited, have outdated knowledge, insufficient time to discuss issues and are biased
>The best start would be to cut out all refined foods(essentially everything you find in aisles), shop on the periphery of the store and load up on vegetables and fruit from a broad color.
What if you're at a relative's house or have limited food options. What if you dilute it with fiber or fiber containing foods?
>Meats in moderation and overall target your caloric intake proportional do you daily activity.
All animal protein is equivalent? Wild mackerel is equivalent to grain fed high fat beef? No mention of the dirty dozen high pesticide vegetables etc. Completely inadequate.
"The real problem (isn't chiropractic but rather) society's tolerance of disproven theory, unsubstantiated claims and unethical professions." -A. Botnick DC.
Re: Maximized Living « Reply #419 on Mar 18, 2012, 6:26pm »
What constitutes one of 1000s of books to be the Holy Grail? Their GP has a history of medical conditions the person may have, which may pose to be confounding.
With the basic conception of understanding what whole natural foods are you can easily make better choices ANYWHERE you are. I can attest that simply abiding by the brief guidelines I listed above with additional modification to adhere to ones likings would do a "miracle" of good compared to the over compulsive society we have become, and misleading from the internet, food articles, books etc.
Also I did NOT say that it’s the end all be all but it's a great first step. Nor did I say that reading that book would be a waste of time.
Please don't belittle me when you haven't a clue as to my credentials. To imply that "Cutting out refined foods and replacing them with whole foods (which are located generally of the periphery of supermarkets)" makes me a moron… is truly absurd.
I lead an example of living life through being nutritionally cognizant, I attained accomplishments of being a competitive college athlete, I placed in various natural bodybuilding shows and strongman competitions, and attained an educational standard many would respect. Then again, in your mind that is overshadowed by attending chiropractic school. Please give me a break.
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More than just with chiropractic, but this forum is for the skeptic of chiropractic.
And yet they are the specialists in finding them? Have a doctorate in it and everything...
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