Paralyzed woman sues chiropractic for half billion « Thread Started on Jun 13, 2008, 4:21am »
Here is an interesting new development:
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Paralyzed woman sues chiropractic for half billion
by Paul Benedetti and Wayne MacPhail June 13, 2008
An Alberta woman, paralyzed after her neck was manipulated by a chiropractor, has launched the biggest-ever class action suit against chiropractic in Canada.
The suit, filed yesterday in Edmonton, is asking for more than a half billion dollars in damages not only for the victim, Sandy Nette and her husband, David, but for an entire class – anyone in Alberta treated or harmed by chiropractors who deliver "inappropriate and non-beneficial adjustments."
The unprecedented lawsuit is groundbreaking because it is the first time lawyers have challenged the veracity of the fundamental underpinnings of chiropractic in a court of law in Canada. If successful, chiropractors in Alberta would have to repay a decade's worth of fees - about $400 million - to all patients of chiropractors who were injured by or received what the suit calls, "inappropriate and non-beneficial adjustments". Alberta pays out about $40 million a year in chiropractic billings. Philip Tinkler, one of the lead lawyers on the class action suit, explained that most victims of chiropractic injury either lack the knowledge or resources to pursue a lawsuit.
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The class action suit could possibly mean the end of the profession as it is currently practised in Alberta. "Subluxation-based chiropractic services is valueless and therefore fraudulent in the legal sense," said Tinkler.
The law firm of Fraser Milner Casgrain LLP, intends to launch similar lawsuits in other provinces.
In the statement of claim, which has not been proven in court, the plaintiffs charge that the Alberta College and Association of Chiropractors, which regulates chiropractic in Alberta, "willfully and recklessly blinded themselves" to the fact that many chiropractors were offering disproven and ineffective treatments that were useless and dangerous. It also claims that the College "acted in bad faith," putting "the promotional and economic interests of chiropractors ahead of its duty to protect the public from economic exploitation and physical harm."
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The statement of claim also says that the Ministry of Health and Wellness in Alberta failed to properly regulate chiropractic, ignored repeated warnings about the dangers posed by its unscientific procedures and, "placed an uncontrolled public health risk into the primary health care marketplace."
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But, most interestingly, the class action suit challenges the foundation of chiropractic - the vertebral subluxation. Many contemporary chiropractors believe that the body can heal itself, so long as an innate energy flows unimpeded from the nervous system out the vertebrae of the spine.
Innate proponents also believe that a "misaligned" vertebra can impinge that energy and cause ill health. According to chiropractors, these vertebral subluxations interrupt energy flow resulting in health problems that include: organ disease, circulation problems, cancer, allergies, infections, bedwetting, even learning disorders. Those beliefs, that have no basis in science, and are not shared by medical professionals, come from chiropractic's founder, Canadian D.D. Palmer, who invented chiropractic at the end of the 19th Century. Couched in more contemporary language, this belief system informs much of chiropractic promotion and practice in Canada today.
In fact, The Alberta College and Association of Chiropractic website makes precisely these kinds of claims: "The chiropractic adjustment is thought to restore the body's powerful ability to heal itself ... Chiropractors can play a major role in preventative care, protecting against future pain and health problems." You can watch a video that outlines the ACAC's position on chiropractic featuring Greg Stiles here: http://www.myhealthvideo.com/chiro2/chiro.htm
For those who haven’t read it, in their book, Trick or Treatment? Alternative Medicine on Trial, Simon Singh and Professor Edzard Ernst propose that all chiropractors be compelled by law to disclose the following to their patients about chiropractic:
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“WARNING: This treatment carries the risk of stroke or death if spinal manipulation is applied to the neck. Elsewhere on the spine, chiropractic therapy is relatively safe. It has shown some evidence of benefit in the treatment of back pain, but conventional treatments are usually equally effective and much cheaper. In the treatment of all other conditions, chiropractic therapy is ineffective except that it might act as a placebo.”
More from Simon Singh here:
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…if spinal manipulation were a drug with such serious adverse effects and so little demonstrable benefit, then it would almost certainly have been taken off the market.
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Re: Paralyzed woman sues chiropractic for half bil « Reply #2 on Jun 14, 2008, 12:43am »
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No adays chiropractic has no significant leader with a really high IQ to direct them.
Beautifully put, Howie!.......Allen could we put this on the marquee?
I think having a high IQ might put one at a horrible disadvantage in this profession, however.....I mean, what would you do with it?
I think the closest anyone came to this ideal would probably be Craig Nelson.....but most DC's, I would imagine, don't even know his name. The reformers, excepting a few from NACM, are generally castrotti.....singing high notes as they walk on chiropractic eggshells.....Now I don't think chiropractic is salvagable....but if I had to try, I would get someone who is ruthless.....like a TEO - someone like that......but chiros want politicians instead of thinkers, movers and shakers.
I always make it a point to read the articles by various practice managers (PM) in The Chiropractic Journal. They read like high school newspapers.....so stupid is what these PMs write that it's condescending and insulting.....Yet they are the chiropractic heros.....not Duvall or Mirtz or Homola or Nelson.....but complete morons.
You see BJ left in his archives all the secrets to defending any attack on the profession. He also left the secret to making a LOT of money. But very few people read his archives. You see for example Sid followed BJs business plan and look how financally successful he was. All the profession has to do is go back to the roots. To the instruction manuals. It is all there. The problem is that chiropractors for the most part do not know that.
Sid's business plan = Open a school, oversell the career, and swiftly, but indirectly, transfer obscene amounts of student financial aid money (your tax dollars) into his own pocket.
He is now a multi-millionaire, retired in Florida.
Life University, in the early 2000's, had the highest student loan default rate of any school in the United States (don't know if that's still true... students default less now thanks to Income Contingent Plans).
So, yeah, he did perfectly follow BJ's plan for opening a school and selling seminars and chiropractic products (through his SiNell Publications/Dynamic Essentials company). I have never seen any evidence that he made significant income through his own chiropractic practices in the 1950's and 1960's.
He also studied Oral Robert's university as a model for Life College (he openly admitted this), and there is speculation that he modeled some of his self help stuff after the Emissaries of Divine Light cult (of which he was once a member).
So what is your point, Howie? "You Too Can Be A Wealthy Scam Artist"?
No thanks... if I had wanted to do that with my life, I already got the blueprint a LONG time ago.
Re: Paralyzed woman sues chiropractic for half bil « Reply #4 on Jun 14, 2008, 2:44pm »
"howie" said "Well the differnce between BJ and Sid is that BJ was an ethical man."
They were both quacks. Pure and simple. Both BJ and sid ripped people off by claiming they could heal them with quackery. Every penny they made was a dishonest penny. Every penny they spent was a dishonest penny. Every penny BJ "gave back" was not rightfully his to "give back".
Anyone one who claims he can locate and remove "subluxations' with chiropractic techniques is a fraud. Pure and simple. They were/are both scammers.
There is no evidence that these "subluxations' exist. Period.
Re: Paralyzed woman sues chiropractic for half bil « Reply #5 on Jun 14, 2008, 2:51pm »
I've pondered a law suit like this many times. It would take a heck of a lot of money and a heck of a lot of time. They would need to show that the foundation/premise of chiropractic is baloney. They would need to show that every technique is based on no more than "say so". It can be done. Though I thought the "government" would have brought this suit first.
Maybe the attorneys can visit this site. They'd be able to get any info they needed regarding the bizarre field of chiropractic.
I've pondered a law suit like this many times. It would take a heck of a lot of money and a heck of a lot of time. They would need to show that the foundation/premise of chiropractic is baloney. They would need to show that every technique is based on no more than "say so". It can be done. Though I thought the "government" would have brought this suit first.
Maybe the attorneys can visit this site. They'd be able to get any info they needed regarding the bizarre field of chiropractic.
Re: Paralyzed woman sues chiropractic for half bil « Reply #7 on Jun 14, 2008, 3:52pm »
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Times were different. If BJ said the things he said then now he would be a scammer. But in his time what he was saying was plausible by the science of the time.
Re: Paralyzed woman sues chiropractic for half bil « Reply #8 on Jun 14, 2008, 5:59pm »
I wouldn't get too excited about the lawsuit just yet. The chiropractic profession has a long history of facing similar cases. In fact, assuming the case gets dismissed, this will end up being yet another anecdote that chiropractors can encorporate into their promotional rah-rah sessions.
One weakness that could be exploited in this case could be the way that subluxation based chiropractic has been whittled away from the Canadian chiropractic educational system and Board exams, in favor of (at least in principle) more evidence based approaches. It is still there in a more vague form that is sufficiently benign to allow returning chiropractors who have studied in the USA to still have the freedom to practice the way they would in the USA. Perhaps this could lead to stricter guidelines for acceptable scope of practice, that would further whittle away the quackery from the program.
Getting back to Diane's question. Chiropractic has failed to modernize in many ways partly because chiro organizations rally behind the notion of resisting outside influences that threaten to compromise the integrity of founding priniciples. Those things that make chiropractic unique, that set it apart from medicine. This also includes minimalistic ideals such as promoting chiropractic as an art that is done by hand alone (in the case of straight chiropractic). More generally, as a non-invasive alternative to more drastic treatments (such as surgery and drug therapy).
Oh...Chiropractic has modernized greatly. X ray machines are better, tables are better, instruments are better. I mean after all chiropractors are even using computer adjusting with NASA technology!
hehehe...
C'mon, Howie - you know what I'm getting at - if chiropractic started out pure as driven snow, why did it get so scammy? Why didn't it stay "scientific"?
Wait, it started out pure as the driven slush, not snow. That's why.
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Re: Paralyzed woman sues chiropractic for half bil « Reply #11 on Jun 14, 2008, 8:09pm »
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It comes down to who the best comunicator is. I happen to know for a fact that the profession is pulling in one of the best chiropractic communicators who has been in court many times before and not lost.
Ahh! The infamous Carlos Negrete......The attorney that attacked Stephen Perle and JC Smith and the Quackwatch crowd.
And this is an excerpt from the Review of Literature: Chiropractic in Alberta which was published yesterday by Sandy Nette’s legal team (see page 4):
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The chiropractic paradigm makes medical diagnosis unnecessary, since one needs only correct the subluxations to liberate the body's own natural healing forces. Thus, much of chiropractic is actually focused on the spine as a source of disease, not the back as a source of pain; and chiropractic practice therefore largely involves finding these supposed abnormalities and correcting them through manual manipulation.
Since this notion was first put forward the chiropractic discipline has evolved, with some practitioners clinging to the original notion, some denouncing it, and others adopting a loosely defined middle ground.
Chiropractic is controversial because it has failed to meet the most fundamental standards applied to the health sciences: to clearly define itself and to establish a science-based scope of practice. The legislatures in Canada nevertheless endorse the validity of its treatments politically by according chiropractic legal recognition, the privileges of self-governance reserved for the professions, and, in Alberta, public fiscal support. But because the core concepts of chiropractic, vertebral “subluxation” and spinal manipulation, are not based on sound science, effective regulation is elusive and many chiropractors treat conditions other than musculoskeletal problems, including hypothetical conditions only they believe exist, in adults, children and even babies.
This poses a risk to persons who cannot distinguish between scientific medicine and unscientific chiropractic, or appropriate versus inappropriate use of spinal manipulation. Generally people are concerned about their health and are increasingly proactive in their desire to protect it and, where possible, to improve it. They are made more vulnerable by health related laws that pay no attention to science and provide chiropractors who stand ready to manipulate their vulnerability with undeserved credibility. People cannot be blamed for not realizing that that chiropractic has no scientific foundation. They assume that a government licensed “doctor” is practicing a valid healing art that is regulated according to standards providing for the safety and effectiveness of its methods. Certainly that is what chiropractors and their College tell them. But this assumption is in error.
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Alberta’s licensing laws do not restrict the scope of chiropractic practice because they do not infringe on the chiropractic philosophy or approach to health and disease. As the ACAC’s media kit demonstrates, chiropractic organizations present chiropractic as a “safe, clinically effective and cost controlled” discipline specializing in back pain and other musculoskeletal problems – “one of the most effective methods of health care available. It is a healing discipline firmly grounded in science.” The literature suggests that the reality is otherwise, because a hypothetical system of healing defies regulation.
Research and Current Evidence Adequate, methodologically sound scientific evaluation demonstrates that with the possible exception of low back pain, chiropractic spinal manipulation has not been shown to be effective for any medical condition. (For patients with low back pain the benefit of chiropractic is dubious and to the extent it does in fact exist it is marginal.) It is however associated with an exorbitantlyhigh incidence of mild adverse effects and with serious complications of unknown, but unacceptably high, incidence. Further, its cost-effectiveness has not been demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt.
The ACAC media kit chooses to ignore this evidence.
However, it has been noted in the literature that the terms “research” and “science” appear frequently in the chiropractic literature with a variety of meanings “unfamiliar to most scientists.” Like any scientific issue with financial implications (such as global warming or the health effects of tobacco) the dissemination to the public of supposed “scientific” information tends to validate chiropractic and its methods, often without the concurrence of the scientific community.
Truly heartbreaking. It would take a pretty cold person to rationalize away all the damage caused to this woman and her family by what is a 100% worthless treatment, continued by quacks for no reason but money.
I really think she deserves more than a billion dollars.
It really makes me appreciate how lucky I am.... chiropractic only did *financial* damage to me... at least I can still walk... this woman's life is ruined.
I tell you, sometimes these kind of stories REALLY put things in perspective. As the old saying goes, "I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no feet."
Re: Paralyzed woman sues chiropractic for half bil « Reply #15 on Jun 15, 2008, 1:50pm »
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I hope that the family is able to give up their anger. She keeps saying "Why did he do this to me?" on her computer.
Why should they? They have a right to such righteous anger, and the right to channel it as they are doing. It's right on. Anger can fuel change in an otherwise unmotivated population.
Hah...Anger is not good. It is something she needs to go through. But I hope she and the family can put it down. Resentment is not good. I hope they can be friends with the chiropractor again. He should apologize for what happened and try to make things right between them.
Alternatively this case and the anger righteously fueling it could be used (which it sounds like Sandy Nette wants to do) to further expose and deconstruct chiropractic.
Howie, would you cry if chiropractic were to be taken apart further by this case? Or are you a chiropractic apologist, in love with it for some reason, protective of all your "friends" in it and your deep study of its history, etc.? In other words do you think it deserves to live? If so, why?
OK, got it. You're not a chiropractor, you're a "spinologist." I guess that's what chiropractors are trying to evolve into? Were you a chiropractor in a former life?
Sounds like spinologists pay lip service to nervous system but still view it through a spine lens and remain reluctant to leave the spine well enough alone, still want to mess with the housing around the cord far too intimately.
Re: Paralyzed woman sues chiropractic for half bil « Reply #18 on Jun 15, 2008, 6:58pm »
So Howie, tell me all about spinologists. They don't impersonate "doctors? Where do they come from? Who is their "Palmer"? They are "gentle," so they never paralyze anyone?
Re: Paralyzed woman sues chiropractic for half bil « Reply #19 on Jun 15, 2008, 8:49pm »
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Well no they function in a belief system that sublimates it'self to Innate Intelligence. They give a force to Innate Intelligence and with that force Innate Intelligence locates vertabrae to the position it want them to be. They do not diagnose or treat disease. They do not adjuct the spine. They do not decide where the spine needs to be. Theu just offer the body the sacrament fo the small force and Innate Intelligence uses it as it pleases. They do not use the title doctor or have anything to do with disease.
So... are they a cult?
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Well they come from a school of Spinology. The first school of Spinology was The Philadelphia Spinal Tutorium. There are schools in Europe now. The original school is closed. OK well the founder of Spinology would be Reggie Gold. Well teachniques are non manipulative and very tiny forces are applied. Just enough to allow Innate Intelligence to use the force but not enough to move the bone actively. Innate Intelligence moves the bone. Not the force of the Spinologist The goal of spinology is to unify Universal Intelligence with matter and energy. So the force put into the body is a sacrament. To unify designer with it's design.
Sacraments... So... the spine is the altar at which they worship Innate Intelligence, same as chiros? Only they nudge it instead of beating up on it and/or causing bleeds into it?
Re: Paralyzed woman sues chiropractic for half bil « Reply #20 on Jun 15, 2008, 10:10pm »
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any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.
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Sacraments... So... the spine is the altar at which they worship Innate Intelligence, same as chiros? Only they nudge it instead of beating up on it and/or causing bleeds into it?
Well not exactly. Innate Intelligence is not worshipped.
Sounds like it is to me. Decide there is something to be worshiped, then decide you are the only "group" that can perceive it, or "help" it by believing it, nudging it along by removing supposed blocks to its "flow"...sounds like a cult to me..
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You see Innate Intelligence is simply a name for Universal Intelligence in a living form. So try and follow.
yeah... I'm trying.
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When there is a misalignment of the spine there is a disconnection of the matter of the body with Universal Intelligence.
Sounds like chiropractic.
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So the Spinologist gives the force to Innate Intelligence so it can recouple the matter of the body with Universal Intelligence. When this happens the Intelligence animating the body will be more Innate. So there is a re-establishment of the connection between Intelligence and matter. Universal Intelligence is the Unified Field/The superstring of quantum physics. The final reduction in the hierarchy of the universe. It is pure consciousness and all material things and forces percolate up from it.
Really, you don't say.
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And you have to be careful because most chiros misdefine Innate Intelligence. They say it "flows" along nerves". This is not correct. Only energy in the universe "flows". The Unified Field is below the level of matter and force of any type. It has no location.
Right... so let's see if I've got this straight: it's invisible, unmeasurable, unseeable, unlocatable by anyone but spinologists/chiros. Somehow these chosen ones can deal with it or help it flow better somehow. It has nothing to do with the nervous system, because the nervous system CAN be investigated and its functions measured etc., plus a whole bunch of sober scientists agree it is real - not so with this other thing that you say chiros mix up with neural function.
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And as far as nudging it or beating it or causing "bleeds" into Innate Intelligence. Again it is not a material thing. It is a field of Intelligence. You cannot nudge it or beat it. You can only offer it matter and force to work with. Innate Intelligence is simply a word for when Universal Intelligence is coupled with living matter as in an animammal or a plant. Again it is the unified field. As John Hagelin a top quantum physicist makes clear.
So... at a macro level of physical "manifestation," orders of magnitude past "quantum," chiro/spinologists nudge gently or beat up/cause bleeds into the cord and or medulla in an effort to treat something that they believe exists that can't be verified. Right?
Could chiro be any more of a cult than this? They even rope innocent people into sacrificing themselves ($ and sometimes bodily function as in this case) at the altar of spinal worship where chiros have decided they are priests. Spinologists have just created another sect of this cult, seems to me. Do I follow? Not in a kajillionyears. Do I understand? I think I do. And I think it's all complete crap.
Re: Paralyzed woman sues chiropractic for half bil « Reply #21 on Jun 15, 2008, 10:53pm »
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All I am going to say is that you just cannot seem to follow enough to give a respectable argument.
All I am going to say is that trying to drag quantum anything into a treatment paradigm at this macro level of existence we live at and work at, is spurious at best and quacky/cultist at worst, and you're right - I won't go there.
Talk about ordinary human function, neurophysiology, etc., and then we can talk. Or talk about this paralyzed woman, whose neurological function has been devastated by someone from a line of thought that seems to comfortably accommodate quantum considerations ahead of physical ones, someone who ruined her brainstem, and I say it's all unconscionable. All of it. Every bit of it.
Re: Paralyzed woman sues chiropractic for half bil « Reply #22 on Jun 15, 2008, 11:19pm »
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what I propose cannot be regulated. It is too close to religion. I am afforded the same protection as christian science. Why would I want to play doctor..?
I don't have the faintest. Who are you, what do you do, and why are you here?
I do not agree with you that the paralyzed woman should get over being angry and not allow her anger and the anger of her family to channel itself/become channeled into some pointed and strong activism and legal action against chiropractic. Even slippery eels and hagfish can be caught if you know how.
SACRAMENTO (Map, News) - Sacramento police say a 76-year-old man operating an unlicensed chiropractic clinic out of his garage is suspected of killing one of his patients with a neck manipulation.
Antonio Arellano was booked into the Sacramento County jail Friday on suspicion of murder.
Police Sgt. Matt Young says 64-year-old Jose Lopez sought help from Arellano for pain in his extremities Tuesday. Arellano adjusted the victim's neck, seriously injuring Lopez and leaving him unconscious.
He was placed on life support but was declared dead two days later.
Arellano's only apparent training was a massage class he took in the 1940s, but Young says Arellano had a following and handed out business cards in his neighborhood.
Prior to decrying the fact that this guy was not a licensed chiropractor, my question to the DC is "What, precisely, makes the chiropractor a safer manipulator of the neck than others?"
Secondly, should we insist that this victim was going to have a stroke anyway?
Re: Paralyzed woman sues chiropractic for half bil « Reply #26 on Jun 16, 2008, 10:44am »
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Then why do you drag your tiddlywinks onto one?
I did not drag myself into medicine or science at all. I simply said that God sems to be backed up by science. My position is not dependent on science though parts of it can be verified by science.
Which means you are admitting to being thoroughly a-scientific and even anti-scientific.
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And lastly I am not even claiming a caisal relationship between the spine and "disorders" But other religions claim to "Heal". As a matter of fact one religion that believes in intergalatic warlords and such manipulates the spine for health reasons and they remain untouched and protected. See here..and they do not even cover their bases well.
Re: Paralyzed woman sues chiropractic for half bil « Reply #27 on Jun 16, 2008, 11:32am »
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[quote]Which means you are admitting to being thoroughly a-scientific and even anti-scientific.
No. I just not believe that induction is the only way top approach truth. It must be coupled with other forms of thinking especially when dealing with biological systems and consciousness.
Why must it be? There is plenty of perfectly good science all around explaining biological systems and consciousness.
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They are not condoned here either.
But Noah's ark is?
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What religion is condoned?
None as far as I know.
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I thought it was a skeptical forum relative to chiropractic.
You got this part right.
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And my posts do not exactly put the profession as it stands in the most positive light. I think what bothers you is my faith. I feel persecuted like a Jew, christian or Muslim. My only point from all this is that nobody can regulate hands on spine work if it is protected properly and chiropractic in it's current state has not done that well. This has happened because they want to play in the medical arena. When you move outside that arena no one can touch you.
So you are condoning the use of "faith," "religion," "belief" as an escape hatch through which you can conceptually and even legally disappear and not have to be held accountable for paralyzing a woman. Have I got this part right? Did I "follow"?
I submit that this constitutes a fundamental (not fundamental-ist) perversion of hands-on treatment.
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Despite the fact that science contridicts it for example I use the gorgeouspil and the immortality device. It is my right to do it.
I just do not get this line of reasoning. How does something that is non manipulative translate to injury? I will not talk neurphys and bilogical science bbecause I never calimed to be scientific. I will not fight on scientific grounds on the macro level. I will fight on theological/pilosophical grounds.
The links do not apply.
Lastly you see I am smart enough to NOT fight scientifically. I will fight based on my freedom oof philosophy and religion and can never be beat. I just will not play on the medical/scientific chessboard. And even still some real heavyweights in quantum physics agree with the fact that at the root of this universe is consciousness. When you reduce to the final thing there must be some control over it, And that control in this universe is the Unifield field.
I think what bothers you is that what I propose cannot be regulated. It is too close to religion. I am afforded the same protection as christian science. Why would I want to play doctor when I can cause world peace and the harmony and love of all living things like humans, plants and the animammals? I do not see why you are attacking me. You are not attacking christianity, buddhism, Taoism, or Jewish Faith. I just do not get it.
I think it is because I will not slam chiropractic. Well fine. But I will not slam the people against it either. You sdlam chiro in a toxic manner. I make my comments in a much lighter and peaceful way. And I ask you in the end whose opinion seems to be more credible. Anger or those of Howie's friend??
Howie, I have not read through everything you have written lately but I believe you are trying to say people can not be prosecuted for practicing religion. You are also saying chiro is a religion so if someone is paralyzed from practicing a religion then the chiros are untouchable. Am I correct?
I posted this article here before but for a different reason. This is very recent. A family in Wisconsin refused to get medical attention for their 11 yo daughter for religious reasons. The daughter had diabetes and died about two months ago.
Guess who is going to prison? Religion or philosophy does not give someone the right to injure other people... It is negligence.
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Re: Paralyzed woman sues chiropractic for half bil « Reply #29 on Jun 16, 2008, 4:45pm »
howie said, "I can remember when they destroyed part of BJ's estate and part of his lifes work was ruined. I went there and dug my hands into the soil to find any small artifact I could. When they tried smashing up his stuff to make way for new development at Palmer I physically threw myself in front of a lage truck and had to be forcibly removed. As I cried my friends hugged me ....".
Howie, I know I'm not alone when suggesting "professional help".
Its clear to me that you are or were a chiropractor that had a PI practice. Its probably a bit cathartic for you to post in the third person. Hey, whatever works.
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